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Working On Theory - Inversions

Posted by bluescorpion 
Working On Theory - Inversions
March 01, 2017 08:07AM
Hi All

I'm working on a music theory assignment and seem to be stuck. I'm currently working on the "Third Inversion" of Eb. I'm thinking that "F" would be my root note which would look like. F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F. My question is how can this be Eb if I need to have a half step from my seventh note back to the root.

Hope I explained this correctly.

Thanks for any input
Re: Working On Theory - Inversions
March 02, 2017 03:01AM
bluescorpion Wrote:
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> Hi All
>
> I'm working on a music theory assignment and seem
> to be stuck. I'm currently working on the "Third
> Inversion" of Eb. I'm thinking that "F" would be
> my root note which would look like.
> F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F. My question is how can this be
> Eb if I need to have a half step from my seventh
> note back to the root.

Are you asking about inversions of chords? If so Eb doesn't have a 3rd inversion. No major or minor chord has a 3rd inversion. So please explain exactly what you mean. What you've written out is the scale of F major.
Re: Working On Theory - Inversions
March 02, 2017 06:12AM
Yes I'm trying to figure out the inversion of chords. I've been stuck trying to understand inversions for about a month now. What I'm doing is using the circle of 5th's and trying to figure out the inversions for each chord.

(Major 7th) - (7th) - (minor 7th) - (minor 7b5)

If I'm starting on let's say Bb on the circle of fifths, then each inversion has to begin on that same note. Right when I think I'm starting to understand it, everything seems to go to mush.

Does that explain it a little better? Thanks
Re: Working On Theory - Inversions
March 02, 2017 09:19AM
bluescorpion Wrote:
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> Yes I'm trying to figure out the inversion of
> chords. I've been stuck trying to understand
> inversions for about a month now. What I'm doing
> is using the circle of 5th's and trying to figure
> out the inversions for each chord.
>
> (Major 7th) - (7th) - (minor 7th) - (minor
> 7b5)
>
> If I'm starting on let's say Bb on the circle of
> fifths, then each inversion has to begin on that
> same note. Right when I think I'm starting to
> understand it, everything seems to go to mush.
>
> Does that explain it a little better? Thanks


Ok - Let me explain about chord Inversions.

First, DON'T use the circle of 5ths. It's for KEY relationships, not chords.

A major or minor chord such as Eb major has 3 differently named notes separated by 3rds, although any of them can be doubled with octaves and played in any order.

Eb major's notes are Eb, G & Bb - they can be played in an order and they can be doubled. Imagine an orchestra playing Eb. You've got loads of instruments playing Eb notes, other instruments G notes and others playing Bb notes. Some will be low in pitch like Cellos, some will be high in pitch like flutes. It doesn't matter - it's still just three different note names at different octaves.

Ok - back to Eb major on any instrument

If the lowest (bass) note is Eb,(the root of the chord) then the chord is in ROOT POSITION

If G is the lowest note, (the 3rd of the chord) then the chord is in FIRST INVERSION

If Bb is the lowest note, (the 5th of the chord) then the chord is in SECOND INVERSION

So Eb can't have a 3rd inversion. Only chords with 4 different notes (plus optional octave doubles) can have a 3rd inversion. For example Eb7 has the notes Eb G Bb and Db. If the lowest note is Db then the chord is in THIRD INVERSION

Ask again if it's still not clear
Re: Working On Theory - Inversions
March 03, 2017 05:16PM
Thanks ALOT Fretsource!! I see what you're saying. Just like learning a new language. Tell me. Are there any books that you could recommend on chord theory?
Re: Working On Theory - Inversions
March 03, 2017 10:41PM
Not books, but you may find these webpages helpful.

www.fretsource-guitar.weebly.com/chord-construction.html
www.spinditty.com/learning/chord-building-for-musicians
www.hubpages.com/entertainment/An-introduction-to-Chord-Inversions
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